[was: Make it easier to rate songs]
If you make song ratings really easy and obvious, you'll be able to crowd-source much more meaningful data. On top of that, users will be better able to keep track of what songs/artists/albums they like and what they don't.
Sometimes I'll be listening to MOG radio only similar artists only and as expected I get a lot of the same artists coming up. The problem arises when you don't like one of the ones that keeps coming up. Because MOG radio's playlist doesn't change as the user gives it feedback it doesn't know that when I skip the artist many times I simply don't want to hear them again. Not only would the ban artist feature be great but so would a more responsive version of radio that changes with feedback, maybe through thumbs up/down Pandora-esque system.
have a +1 rating system where users can vote then the songs that get the highest counts by all the listeners get played first during radio
I'd like to be able to keep all songs from an artist or album from being suggested for my radio.
allow rating a song while it's playing (add the stars to select, either within the queue, or at the top, near the Flash bar for the current song.
Basically, when a song is playing, if you do not like it, you can say so and it won't come up again. Specifically for MOG Radio.
I would like to be able to tell MOG that I don't like certain songs or artists, so that it doesn't recommend/play those.
In beta there is a way to 'like' the songs that come from your radio but there is no way to 'dislike' them so they don't come up again.
Have different levels of liking or disliking a song that comes up on MOG radio. Not only a thumbs down to keep out artists or songs you dislike, but maybe a way to save an artist to check out later, without going all the way and making them a "Love". So you can have your true favorites, then others who you're interested in but aren't favorites yet, then your dislikes. Or any combination of options in between. This could be a more advanced option so it doesn't clutter the interface, but it would be nice to have more control, even if you have to dig a little to get to it.
Similar to what was done with the old player. Users would have the ability to approve or disapprove a song (especially useful in radio). This way users could give feedback on preferences with out favoriting a song they merely like.
Seeing that the MOG guys keep saying that features based on ratings are useless. Should MOG make ratings actually meaningful? If ratings are meaningful, people will use them and they will become meaningful. So if for example, you recommend music to me based on my ratings, I'll be more likely to rate things. Likewise, if I can search, browse, and sort by ratings, I'll be more likely to use them. Then, rating will not be useless. See: Netflix and Amazon.
While listening to a track on the iPhone/iPod Touch app (offline or online), we should be able to rate the song and then have our preferences sync up with MOG's servers (and reflect in our accounts) the next time the device goes online. More generally, the MOG iOS app should mimic the look and functionality of an iPod.
Users should have the ability to rate albums and songs. Based on how you rate album and/or songs you will be given album/song recommendations by MOG. It should also allow other users to see your ratings if you choose to allow it. Sound familiar?
Don't play thumbs down once selected in a radio session
It would be very helpful to get a list of all of the tracks that you have marked with a thumbs up or thumbs down, possibly as automatic play list or a section like favorites.
This way you could review what you've marked, change them, if necessary, and possibly seed starting a new radio right.
And it's just nice to be able to review what you've said. *Pandora* already has something like this, it seems like an obvious and valuable feature.
When I am listening to music I might be busy doing something else like working so don't get a chance to thumbs up or down something. I'd like to be able to do that after the fact. That would be a one up on slacker/pandora!
For the most part Mog does a great job picking songs for its 'Radio', but every once in awhile there's an artist who's a complete mismatch to what I'm listening to, (or I just dislike their music) and it can really ruin the generated mix. Being able to ban/unban artists from inclusion in the Radio feature would be a big help.
Yahoo Music used to let us rate album,artist,and song 1-10 not just 'good' or 'bad'. I would pay for a service that let me do that. I had over 30,000 ratings there and my personal station was awesome.
J C commented
5 or even 3 and ban would be sufficient. I love being able to keep track of my favorite, ok, and disliked songs on an album. Plus, create playlists based on my 5 star ratings.
One reason my wife unsubscribed from MOG was that she couldn't "ban" an artist or song from playing in the radio. She also told me she missed the ability that she had with another service to mark songs she didn't like in order to keep track of them over time.
Dave Willmore commented
Allow users to add meta data to favorited songs. Allow users to sort on meta data and create playlists by using meta data selection. Add a 5 star rating system. I have favorited songs that I love, and that I simply like.
Hmm, I come back to this topic a year later to see not much has changed. Being able to favorite tracks works to a certain degree to identify songs you really like, but the lack of ability to get rid of tracks you hate and give a thumbs down to MOG suggestions for you negates the usefulness of the 'just for you' suggestions to a large degree. Maybe 1 in 10 of the suggested albums are something I want to listen to. Being able to thumbs down certain tracks on albums you otherwise like would also streamline album play if there was an option to never play songs you thumbed down even if they otherwise would appear in an album or play list. Thanks for listening!
Jonny Warren commented
Totally in agreeance, thumbs up/ thumbs down approach is fantastic. Thumbs up to hear that track again and others like it, thumbs down for disliking a specific song (with a view to tweaking the future selections) and leaving the rating for tolerated or passable songs.
I've recently decided tagging (in addition to thumbs down) is the best way to give everyone the flexibility they need while not being in the way and keeping things simple when you just want to click and listen. Tagging would be a private, individual option to provide functionality MOG isn't otherwise willing to implement.
I've listened to many editor's picks and "suggestions for you" that I dont hate, but don't really love either. So, I just need a way to remember that I've already checked them out AND what I thought. The planned play history feature might help with the first need, but in this example I would still want to tag a song, album or artist with some kind of rating as a reminder of my impression.
Once thumbs down/dislike (please vote for the new seperate suggestion!) and play history are both implemented, it may be sufficient for a typical user to accept in-my-play-history-but-not-liked-or-disliked as an implicit 3-star rating. For me, "3-star" basically means let it play in radio mode, but don't waste time reconsidering it for addition to playlists if i run into the name/title again after it has faded from memory...
As a final plug, note that tagging WITH filtering by tag would be powerful and flexible enough to supplement or replace any other rating/filtering system while not impeding the simple thumbs up system.
It sounds like there are (or should be) two entirely separate rating systems--public and private. As far as public ratings, I don't care about them and agree that automatically captured metrics along with editors picks, "friend" recommendations, etc. are sufficient.
On the other hand, a private rating system is essential when dealing with such a large collection. I can see the value in a star rating system for some, but far more important and, as others have pointed out, the huge gaping hole in MOG is the ability to dislike/banish/thumbs down a track, album or artist so it never appears in radio mode or suggestions unless we unbanish it.
With millions of tracks, there is no way to remember everything sampled and disliked unless we maintain our own database outside of MOG which would be a PITA. There's nothing worse than queuing a bunch of tracks only to discover you already heard and disliked some of them months ago and forgot.
Note: Dislike/thumbs down may warrant a separate suggestion to vote on apart from the broader "improve ratings" discussion.
Solid State commented
I would also like a way to "banish" tracks I don't like. Just add an ick face button to the player. :-)
AND, perhaps more importantly to me at least -- Don't EVER play that song. Slacker keeps a list of "disliked" songs and ensure that they don't ever get played again. You can go in and view your list of disliked songs and remove the "dislike" marking if you ever change your mind in the future.
YES! I am a Slacker subscriber and this is one feature that is a MUST HAVE for MOG, just like Slacker already has. When an artist or song comes up in the radio that I dislike, I need the ability to dislike it and then have that prevent that same song from coming up again next time. I know there is the "thumbs down" feature, but that is worthless if the song shows up again next time.
It's crazy that this is not already in
Bill Moore commented
I'd add to this the ability to thumbs down an entire album.
...and maybe roll in a thumbs up button along with this, so that certain tracks can get mixed back in more frequently if they're faves.
Either way, having the "uck, no thanks" button is a must for the Radio.
Brian Hinman commented
There are currently titles being recommended to me that I already own (cd/mp3), which is great because it means something you're doing is working. However, I will probably never listen to those titles on MOG (since I have them readily accessible). It would be nice to acknowledge that I like those Artists/Albums so that recommendations continue to be based on them, but also to clear them from the recommendation list so I might get new ones.
It seems like ratings could accomplish this.
Agree it is annoying to have a song appear on different playlists when you don't like it.
Mr. Johnson, my point is not that ratings are useless.
1. Historically across a number of these services, a very small number of users rate items. One typically sees a Pareto distribution, where 80% rate nothing and 20% rate like crazy. Given all of the requests MOG has right now, we are reluctant to invest in a feature that a minority will use, especially when it effectively creates more work for the user
2. MOG believes the primary benefits of rating - suggestions for each user - can be achieved through observation of user behavior (Favoriting, play history etc.)
I have commented on a few suggestions that MOG allow "sorting by ratings" requesting clarification. If users want MOG to sort by their own individual ratings, point 1 above comes into play. Users must invest a lot of work to have that be meaningful for them.
If users are looking to sort by someone else's ratings (AMG, MOG average rating, etc.) we question the value of that. MOG believes popularity (as determined by a mix of play count, favorites, playlisting, and other observed behaviors) can provide that same value without requiring users to do the work of rating.
I agree--I thought the 'X' button might do this but I'm not sure. I definitely want the ability to heart and get rid of tracks in ALL views and modes. When you hear something great, you immediately want to give it a heart of thumbs up, and when you hear something sucky you want to banish it ASAP.
Isaac Girard commented
Allow songs to be banished from the play queue for a week/month/forever. Allow management of banished tracks via settings.